manche-tasseau

[luigi]

Bonjour,

Quelqu'un sait-il, si la technique du manche-tasseau ( through neck) a été utilisée à Mirecourt au 18ème siècle ?

Merci

Luigi

[jépadçon]

Non. Elle n´a pas été utilisée (que je sache)

[luigi]

Bonjour,

Merci pour votre réponse...

Je n'ai pas trouvé grand chose dans mes recherches :

Karl Roy ( The violin - its history and making p 452) écrit que Claude François Vuillaume (1760) aurait utilisé ce procédé

Sinon, j'ai retrouvé cette discussion sur un forum (the violinman)

http://www.theviolinman.co.uk/messages/580.html

"Dear Gordon, I must respectfully dissagree with your opinion on one piece neck top blocks, 20 yrs ago when I entered the violin buisness, common knowledge was that one piece neck top block were a german feature prevelent on late 1700s early 1800s violins, we have learned a lot more about this topic since then, for one thing you are very correct about Klingenthal and Saxon violins having one piece neck top blocks up to 1890 at least and that many of these fiddles were of the lowest trade/factory quality hardly worth restoring. however as I'm sure you well know, prior to 1800 or thereabouts the modern mortised neck and top block construction didn't exist or if it did, was very uncommon.

Hill and company like to perpetrate the myth that all pre 1800 violins had the neck nailed on the the sides and top block and while this is firmly authenticated by originals so is the one piece neck top block construction found all through Europe and even Italy in the 1600s and 1700s, the problem is when these instruments were converted to modern the evidience is lost, sometimes you see the carving on the inside of the back continue flat further into the back than top block construction requires; this is clear evidence that you are dealing with an instrument that originally had a one piece neck top block, however half the time the restorer doing the modern conversion would erase this evidence by carving away the section of back that extended beyond the top block, however this carving, exposing fresh wood is once again clear evidence that you are dealing originally with a one piece neck top block, also not all one piece neck-top blocks extended into the back this way, but were carved with a wider top block shaped piece at the end of the neck, I have such a violin, and once the neck scroll graft has been done and a new top block installed there would be no evidence left for the future restorer to realize that the instrument originally had a one piece neck etc...
Sincerely, Lyndon J Taylor"

[luigi]

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[jépadçon]

Pas du tout d´accord, dans le cas d´un manche sans tasseau, l´emplacement de tasseau est plus étroit et donc décelable même si on lui a installé un tasseau.

[luigi]

Merci pour votre commentaire..

A quoi correspond la "petite marche" en avant du tasseau ?



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[jépadçon]

Merci pour votre commentaire..

A quoi correspond la "petite marche" en avant du tasseau ?

Il n´y a pas de tasseau, c´est l´emplacement sur le fond sur lequel vient se coller le manche.

[jépadçon]

C´est vrai qu´il fait assez français!

[luigi]

C'est vrai, les F m'évoquaient initialement un Grand-Gérard ( Mirecourt circa 1800 )....puis ce "manche-tasseau" m'a intrigué...

Fond : 35,8 - Diapason : 19,2 - 1 éclisse unique en bas - présence des tasseaux des coins et des contre éclisses - hauteur éclisses 33mm

Des moustaches latérales sur le fond, noires de crasse - Touche : 25,5

NB : j'ai noté 1 éclisse unique en bas sur plusieurs Vieux Mirecourt de cette période : méthode crémonaise ?

tasseau inférieur

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